Well, realise that grazing is a tool, and it's not a perfect world. Because of time constraints, there's times when we don't graze at as high a stock density as we like. But, in saying that some is better than ... not, so do what you can and I liken it to this, there's a lot of people who set stock, and then I ask them "Well, how often do you check your cattle?", "Ah, once a week". Then move them once a week, you don't have to do the multiple moves. Some is better than none, as far as a tool to use that's going to be totally dependent on the area, the land, the terrain, etc. I have not tried any of that, have you heard of anybody trying to roll perennial pastures ... br br Yes. br br Okay, do you want to talk about it? br br I had some guys at Dubbo that didn't like animals, and so I kept saying that if you're going to slash or mulch then you need to push the litter on to the ground, so then he went for a sheep's foot roller and then a heavy roller behind that.