So, I got Ella D Verma, who is a trans model, and her mom, Varsha Verma, to the Brut office. But spontaneously, I sprang a surprise — I told them I wouldn’t be interviewing them today. They’d be interviewing each other, and I’d just be a fly on the wall. They were a bit hesitant at first, but then said, “Bring it on.” And here’s how it went down.