John and Jed discuss the recent speech defending Mike Bickle and how it attempted to frame the public perception of her brother, Mike. They reflect on how her tone and phrasing followed recognizable manipulation strategies, and how those techniques were familiar to anyone who had grown up under strong religious authority. Jed explains why Lisa’s words were especially difficult for him to hear, given his own history, and outlines how attempts to minimize or excuse misconduct affect survivors. John adds his perspective on what it felt like to hear the language as if he were in the congregation and how the approach mirrored experiences from his past.br br Together they examine the wider implications for the International House of Prayer community and beyond. They compare how prophetic authority and promises of revival can be used to cover wrongdoing, and how this dynamic has played out repeatedly. They also highlight how leaders in the broader movement have responded, often with silence, and the consequences this has for accountability. Throughout the discussion, both hosts emphasize how the rhetoric of forgiveness has been misapplied in ways that silence those raising concerns, and they call out the difference between genuine redemption and using faith to maintain power.br Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR:br Paperback: Kindle: br 00:00 Introductionbr 01:04 Why This Episode Mattersbr 02:27 The DARVO Pattern Revisitedbr 05:03 Lisa Bickle’s Sermons and Strategic Framingbr 08:01 Using Victims’ Past to Justify Mikebr 10:17 John’s Multi-Layered Reactionbr 12:04 Manipulation in Cult Structuresbr 14:02 Social Media as “Mocking God”br 16:04 Early Allegations and Prophetic Groomingbr 18:04 Online Backlash and the Bickle Inner Circlebr 20:14 Lisa’s Anger and Targeting of Accusersbr 22:04 Turning Point: Tammy’s Testimonybr 25:50 Revival Narrative vs.