John and Steve examine the intersections of history, spirituality, and global religious movements in apostasy. They begin with a reflection on the challenges of keeping up with numerous research requests, before turning toward the influence of deliverance practices in Africa. The conversation highlights how these practices often blend local traditions with imported Pentecostal ideas, creating unique but sometimes troubling expressions of faith. Along the way, John and Steve compare this to past movements, noting disturbing patterns of continuity between older revivals and modern charismatic networks.br br As the discussion develops, they explore figures such as John G. Lake, Charles Parham, F. F. Bosworth, and others who shaped deliverance practices in both America and Africa. They trace how the Latter Rain movement crossed into Ghana and influenced the Church of Pentecost, bringing with it new forms of prophecy, healing, and directive leadership. The dialogue also touches on related themes such as spiritual warfare, prosperity teachings, charismatic personalities, and the legacy of occult and esoteric ideas. Throughout, John and Steve raise questions about authenticity, influence, and the blurred boundaries between spirituality and manipulation in global religious networks.br br 00:00 Introductionbr 01:00 Researching rabbit trails and African spiritual rootsbr 02:30 Smithsonian controversy and political revisionismbr 03:30 Concealed religious histories influencing U.S. politicsbr 04:00 Science fiction and belief—Prometheus examplebr 05:00 Deliverance and NAR claims of revival in Africabr 06:30 Akan beliefs and exorcism in Church of Pentecostbr 08:30 African influence on American charismatic demonologybr 09:30 Peter Wagner’s racial theology and church growthbr 10:30 John G. Lake, Zion City, and violent deliverance originsbr 12:00 Terminology shift: deliverance vs.