John and Christian discuss their personal journeys out of cultic and authoritarian church cultures and the challenges of finding authentic Christianity. They explore how politics, tribalism, and tradition often replace the simple call of Jesus to love others, and why many churches fail to welcome and nurture broken people. The conversation highlights issues like dualistic thinking, superficial love-bombing in charismatic circles, the exclusion of honest questioners in traditional churches, and the need for genuine biblical worldview formation. They also share personal stories of disillusionment, struggles with belonging, and offer hope that empowering ordinary believers can bring renewal. br br 00:00 Introductionbr 01:03 The Cult Mindset and 1950s Christianitybr 03:06 Music, Message, and the Lost Mission of the Churchbr 05:05 Maturity, Milk, and the Problem of Seeker-Sensitive Churchesbr 08:00 When Preaching Offends the Lostbr 10:21 The Politics of Modesty and Moral Policingbr 13:04 Dualism and the False Divide Between Good and Evilbr 16:26 The Us-Versus-Them Christianitybr 19:14 How Pagan Dualism Shaped Modern Faithbr 22:19 Weaponized Literalism: Reading the Bible Like a Switchbr 25:26 Honey or Vinegar? Why Love Still Worksbr 27:07 A Better Way: Jesus Versus the Political Churchbr 28:57 Commercial Break William-Branham.