John and Joey reveal how devotion to Jesus can slowly be entangled with authoritarian control inside the New Apostolic Reformation. Joey describes how constant pressure to obey “apostles,” secrecy around finances, plagiarism from the pulpit, and emotional manipulation led to a crisis of trust in leadership—yet not in Christ. This deep and honest conversation shows that spiritual abuse thrives wherever human power replaces biblical accountability, but freedom and healing are possible.br br This testimony offers hope to anyone escaping high-control churches: you can leave toxic authority behind without leaving Jesus. Your faith can survive—and grow stronger—after the NAR. br br 00:00 – Introduction br 00:31 – Joey’s Background, Bible College, and Early Charismatic Influence br 05:04 – Entering the Charismatic Church and the First Major Crisis br 10:05 – Transitioning Into the NAR Church and Early Warning Signs br 15:06 – Financial Secrecy, Control, and the Breakdown of Accountability br 20:04 – Hidden Sin, Outbursts, and the Culture of Image-Protection br 24:01 – Confusion in Teaching, Borrowed Sermons, and Doctrinal Drift br 29:01 – Spiritual Abuse, Emotional Manipulation, and Loss of Trust br 33:21 – The “Little Gods” Doctrine and the Collapse of Discernment br 38:02 – Leaving the Church, Family Impact, and Social Fallout br 43:05 – How Abuse Warps Faith and Why Many Lose Their Religion br 48:05 – The Passion Translation, Authority Claims, and Scripture Distortion br 53:03 – Preaching *At* the People vs.